Dogs are a very popular pet in the U.S. However, many people
refuse to pick up after their pooch when walking in public areas. This has
become such an issue in some condos and subdivisions that the home owners
associations have taken drastic measures.
They want all canines swabbed to
put their DNA on file. When messes are found on property the doggie
dropping will be tested to find the person who failed to clean up after her/his
dog. Fines are set to follow when discovered.
Do you think this is acceptable, extreme or just plain weird? Feel free to share experiences in your neighborhood.
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When only a few people are jerks, these types of situations occur less frequently. However, I believe that from the baby-boom generation to the x'ers to the millennials, each generation has become more and more spoiled. So you get what you have here, the spoiled busy-bodies of the H.O.A vs. spoiled, inconsiderate dog owners. Bon-a-petite.
ReplyDeleteI dont think it has anything to do with anyone being spoiled, rather people being responsible (or lack there of) and being respectful of common areas.
DeleteInteresting combination of folks you presented here. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteTom LaPorte
I think people have way to much time on their hands. I am sure that there are more important things that the home owners associations could be doing or spending money on. If it is such an issue then they should just threaten with fines for everyone who owns dogs in the community. That may anger the ones that are actually picking it up but maybe the others would pick it up for fear that someone may see them leaving it. I agree that people would be more willing to pick up their dogs mess if they think that they would be punished in some way but I find DNA testing to be a bit extreme.
ReplyDeleteWell obviously, when a person owns a dog it's taken full responsibility both good and bad. Either people don't like cleaning the dog mess, too lazy or busy.They have to do it and because of that, the issue grow continously to the fact that the law has to be involved. This becomes from scraping the mess from your shoe to scraping the money from yor pockets. Now they have to pay the fine for it and hopefully this info would be the eye opener for all the dog owners out there. Either clean up or pay up.
ReplyDeleteI have actually experienced a situation similar but not nearly as dramatic as this. I live in a condo community and own a dog (I should preface that I am anal about picking up after my dog, pun intended). We left for a week to visit my parents and when we come home to our surprise there were bags of dog poop lying on the Welcome mat by the front door. Needless to say I was furious. I knew it couldn’t have been from my dog because we were gone for a week and this stuff was fresh. To make a long story short my Negative Nancy next door neighbor hated dogs and me for some reason and wanted to express it via this very childish act. Come to find out it was another dog down the road that was out roaming the neighborhood unattended that was causing all this drama.
ReplyDeleteEven after all this had happened and after reading this article, I think obtaining dog DNA is absurd and over the top ridicules. Although fines on the other hand are more acceptable if the poop production is getting out of hand.
Zach F.47
ReplyDeleteI personally think that its a good thing to pick up your dogs mess because I wouldn't want to step in it walking to my car or around the lawn. I also think the DNA stuff is a little overboard, If residents want to own a dog then they kneed to have enough respect to pick up there dogs mess .
Innocent A. 46 in response to Zach F. 47
DeleteI agree with you based on tardiness and personal hygiene, no one will like to see him or he self messed up with a dog pooh when walking to your car . The DNA should be disregarded and as a respected dog owner you don’t need to be told to clean up after your dog.
I agree with your post one hundred percent. While people do need to pick up their dogs messes, but the DNA IS overboard. I do think they could do it cheaper by installing surveillance cameras and watching who is and isn't picking up after their pooches.
DeleteZach F.47 in response to Stephanie Manning.
ReplyDeleteI totally agree on it being absurd, its taking it over board, and how would they know if it was a stray if they only swab dogs in the community? doesn't make since to me.
Danielle T.47
ReplyDeleteGoing door to door to swab a dog's mouth to determine the culprit is absolutely ridiculous. The people who came up with this idea have way to much time on their hands and should focus on more important matters. Do you really think that the person who could care less about picking up after their pup is really going to care if others know that their dog is the poop monster, No! They will probably neglect the fine as well. If you are a dog owner, be a responsible dog owner and clean up after the dog so people won't waste money on DNA sampling. That money can be used for so many other useful things to help the community instead of finding the non-pooper scooper.
Cassaundra W. 81 in response to Danielle T.
DeleteI agree this would be a complete waste of money. They probably wouldn't pay it anyway.
Danielle T.47 in response to Angela W
ReplyDeleteI agree with Angela, why is money that is so needed in our community schools, playgrounds, libraries, and other things being wasted on the people that do not follow the rules? When the economy is at its worst people are more worried about a poop scandal! There are always, always going to be rule makers and rule breakers, everyone just needs to grin and bear it. Clean up the poop, post signs in the yard, think of something besides DNA swabbing!It's the old saying, "One person can ruin it for everyone."
Stephanie M .41
ReplyDeleteIn response to Angela Weldy.
I agree that people have way too much time on their hands to stress over something as silly as dog poop. As a dog owner in a similar community of that illustrated in the article, I personally would not want to get fined or have additional charges for owning a dog. DNA testing is unrealistic but implementing fines is not. Although I love my money more than I dislike picking up after my dog’s number 2, implementing a fine would be a more efficient way to get the job done.
OneishaF.46
DeleteIn response to Stephanie Manning.
Your right. People are getting way bent out of shape for something no one can control. We have geese at our school and they poop all over the side walks and road. Its Mother Nature.
Mother Nature, perfect.
DeleteThe whole DNA thing is a little over the top. People with pets need to just be more respectful and responsible as pet owners and clean up after them when walking them anywhere other than on their own property. As a vet tech I am more worried about the infestestation of intestinal parasites and other zoonotic diseases that are transmittable to other pets and people, including children who may walk barefooted in the common areas where these dogs go to the bathroom. This can easily be prevent if dog owners will just be rrsponsible and clean up after their pets. If you can't be fully responsible and devoted, then then get a goldfish.
ReplyDeleteJennifer O. 46 replying to Shanah Eads
DeleteI agree with the dangers and risks of leaving out the dogs' poop. Why risk our pets and kids especially, with this? That's why I believe dog owners and people in general should be better educated about these risks and should be better aware of the consequences of not picking up after their dog. It's a simple action that makes everyone much happier.
Nadasha C. Replying to Shanah Eads
DeleteI definitely agree with your statements about the infestation of intestinal parasites and other diseases. While living in New York I see countless of dog owners who allowed their dog to pooped on other people property and leave it without picking it up. Always pissed me off especially if the person don't owned a dog. Being a mother of four can't tell you how many shoes were ruin by dog poop. Once my kids or myself step in poop I just throw them out. No one wants to clean the shoes. Owners need to be more responsible. If you can't clean up after your dog don't get one.
Cassaundra W. 81 response to Shanah E.
DeleteI agree Shanah I also work with dogs and know first hand how there is always that one dog that will eat other dogs feces and vomit or get those diseases. This is so preventable, but there are some people that you just can't reason with.
OneishaF.46 I think people should pick after their dogs, because it can be quite annoying stepping on dog poop. But sometimes some people just don't have bag with them to pick it up and I understand. So the whole DNA is a little to much for just dog poop. They should spend their money on more important things. Going as far as DNA testing isnt going to change anything. There are people who are respectful and will pick after their dog and there's people who just think its not that important.
ReplyDeleteAngela M. 47
ReplyDeleteI Believe that it is inconsiderate to not clean up after our dogs which can lead to infections and contamination. In saying that it is amazing to me that we have a society that they have to DNA test dog feces to catch who is not cleaning up after them. To me that seems extreme if the area has become so strong against this issue then maybe the condos or subdivisions should become dog free areas.
Chelsea W. 55 in response to Angela M. 47
DeleteExactly! Why would they surpass being dog free or having dog free areas and go straight into swabbing animals? Clearly they're not that fed up with these dogs. The whole idea is ridiculous.
Angela M. 47
ReplyDeleteIn response to Shanah Eads. I agree about the infections and how easy it could be to spread diseases as a nurse I think about that with children walking barefoot as well. I think you might be right a goldfish would be better
I do think it is inconsiderate to not clean up after your pooch. However, I also think it is quite disturbing that the government is willing to spend money on DNA for pooches just to fine individuals for not being responsible pet owners. I think this is great way to create jobs for our economy. Not sure if I would necessarily want to be a pooper tester.
ReplyDeleteJessica G. 46
DeleteHow hard is it to take a few empty bags with you while you walk your dog? It isn't that hard to clean up after your dog is it? It only takes a handful of people to ruin it for the rest. I'm sure that person who is in charge of swabbing the poo for DNA has a crappy job.
ReplyDeleteBarbara C47:
ReplyDeleteI think that this is using extreme measurements. I can understand how it would be slightly bothersome, but feces is not like trash, it does not sit there and hurt the planet like trash can. It sounds like this community has way to much time on their hands. I agree with maybe a small fine to try and make people be more mindful of picking up the feces, but there is also other ways to help. My old community had these little trash cans with disposable plastic bags on them around the community so that dog owners could not only have resource's to pick up the feces and throw it away but also reminders while walking their dogs to think about picking up their feces. That is one of many ideas I am sure are available versus asking for home owners pets DNA, which I am sure violates some kind of citizen right and is highly unrealistic. I agree with Stephanie Mannings words. Implementing a fine with a realistic way of attributing that fine is a good idea.
Julie T. 46
ReplyDeleteI think this is a little extreme. I understand how people are upset about the dogs using the potty in the grass, but they are dogs. Would they rather them make a mess in the house? With this being done it is like getting samples of individuals poop and testing it to see who missed the toilet. I mean come on people this is a little extreme.
Julie T. 46
ReplyDeleteI agree with Angela W. If people thought the dogs would get checked then maybe they would start picking up the mess. Also, if I witnessed someone's dog using the potty and not pick it up, I would say something.
Staci M. 47
ReplyDeleteI do believe that this is an extreme solution to this problem. However, It's pretty extreme when I step in "doggy droppings" while I am taking my dog out for his potty break. I only wish I had the time on my side like these people oviously do to address this problem in our neighborhood.
DeMario T. 46 in response to Stacie M.47
DeleteI disagree with you about the swabbing being extreme but I do find it crazy and odd. However, I do agree with you about stepping in dog poop. I think a mutual agreement should be made between the two parties.
Staci M 47 in response to Travis M. I couldn't agree more people that don't take the responsibility of picking up after there dogs have ruined it for the rest of us. We are no longer allowed to take our dog to park were we have been taking him for the last 5 years because of all the complaints. Dogs may be dogs. what's the excuse of there owners?
ReplyDeleteSabrina B. 46
ReplyDeleteI truly believe this is really extreme. However, I do believe it's a problem. No one wants to walk, smell, or see dog feces all over the ground. In my neighborhood, we have a designated area for walking our dogs away from common areas. There are signs to pick up after your pet. Cameras are located on the premises as well. If someone is caught violating the rules, they are fined. Maybe even a note on the door would help eliminate violators. But DNA testing and testing the feces is doing too much in my opinion.
Judy J. 50
DeleteI'm glad that you agree that dog droppings are an every day issue. No one wants to run into dog feces while walking on the sidewalk or smell it when you get your mail in the morning. DNA testing is a crazy idea but what is not crazy nowadays? The new era of today is taking everything to the extreme.
Sabrina B. 46 regarding Julie T. 46 comment. I agree this is extreme and they are just dogs. It's crazy to subject the poor dogs to DNA testing for this purpose. It's the owners responsibility. Find ways to humiliate them for not following the rules.
ReplyDeleteAngela W. 47
ReplyDeleteIn response to Stephanie Manning. I understand where your coming from. I wouldn't want to be fined for one or two people not following the rules either! At the same time I think it would make people more diligent in watching. Unfortunately that's probably where the pet deposit originated from. One or two people who didn't do what they needed to. For that matter, maybe they could keep the deposit for people that are caught. That wouldn't make other people stand up and take notice though.
Christina D.
DeleteNo body likes a nosy neighbor, and as an adult, unless my neighbors are doing something illegal or dangerous, I am not going to tattle on them.
Jennifer O. 46
ReplyDeleteDNA testing the dogs goes too far, like many others have mentioned. It feels like a violation of privacy for both owner and dog. I live in a subdivision that doesn't have many rules other than for our lake, plus common sense ones like cleaning after our dogs. Poop bags are not expensive at all and can be bought at the grocery store - and if you don't have those, there's nothing special about them. Plastic bags will do. I live with my housemates' 4 shih tzus and I love walking them nightly. I wouldn't want my experience ruined by very strict homeowners association officials breathing down our backs with DNA tests. What can be done instead, for much less money, is to post trash posts to put the dirty bags in during and after the walks, and perhaps putting up more reminder signs. If those don't work, then the HOA could resort to fines. They can also send out information about the negative consequences of leaving out the poo, including diseases like Shanah Eads mentioned.
Tim F. 47
ReplyDeleteComparing poop and pooch DNA is simply ridiculous. It is not a very cost effective solution to the problem. Was there a groupon for DNA test kits? While not a dog owner myself, I understand the reason behind such rules. Common areas that are clean and poop free are much more attractive to current and potential residents, no one wants to deal with such things stuck to the bottom of a shoe. Posted warnings and fines may not catch every culprit, but the feeling of invasion into peoples lives might end up driving away more potential residents than attracting them.
Tim F. 47 in response to Jennifer O. 46
ReplyDeleteMy mother recently lived in a very nice condominium and they did all the things that you mentioned. They were many signs and small, post mounted trash can to throw the bags away in. There were even poop bag dispensers. I also agree with your idea about information hand outs, sometimes just bringing things like this to someone's attention is enough to change their mind.
As a non pet owner, I find it highly offensive to be subjected to animal secretions. Having two children, I feel like it would be like leaving a dirty diaper in someone's yard. Since no one is ever going to own up to this dirty secret, I feel like sadly enough this law might have to be the only way. It wouldn't have come this far unless the owners took care of their responsibilities of having a pet.
ReplyDeleteJacob J. 55
ReplyDeleteI do not agree with this idea of DNA cataloging our pets. As a pet owner myself, I would not want anyone coming anywhere near my dog for such reasons. While I understand that people become agitated over such a crappy situation, DNA testing is not the way to go about handling this kind of business.
Ifeyinwa O.47 in response to Jacob J.55
DeleteThe idea of DNA check is a good thing because it help to keep the subdivision clean and less don't forget that dogs can be so messes.
Anthony R.41 in response to Barbra c47 and many others: This type of over-the-top abuse of power is what H.O.A.'s are famous for. It is usually bored and/or frustrated housewives with no power over anything else in their lives that get on these boards. They are not government officials but they can slap a lien on your house if you break their rules.
ReplyDeleteJacob J. 55 in response to Tim F.47
ReplyDeleteI agree with you completely. My neighborhood currently deals with this issue on a sight and report basis. If we see another person who is not picking up after their animal we report it to the Home Owners Association and they send out the fine via mail. I find this method to be both cost-effective and practical as apposed to the DNA cataloging.
Jennifer W. 55
ReplyDeleteI feel as if the situation is a bit extreme. I don't think they should have to go to the extreme of swabbing the dogs to get their dna on file. I think that yes it is courteous of the pet owner to clean up after their dogs but I would not think there is a need to fine them. Come up with a better solution to the problem, it is not the dogs fault the owners do not want to clean up after them so why should they have to go through the swabbing for dna? Just ridiculous!
Jennifer W. 55 response to Sabrina B. 46
ReplyDeleteAs I was reading your post I came across the cameras being posted so that they know who left the mess without swabbing the dogs. That is a great idea from your community. Also making owners walk their dogs in a common area where there are some doggie bags located for cleaning their mess would make the owners more likely to clean up there mess.
Matt M.56
ReplyDeleteThat's one of the most extreme ideas out there. I have owned numerous dogs and as a pet owner I felt the obligation to pick up after my dog's mess, but yes there are people out there that think picking up their dog's poo is not their responsibility. DNA testing seems a bit extreme and costly. Crazy if you ask me!
Matt M.56 in response to Tim F. 47
ReplyDelete"Was there a groupon?" I agree with you, too much attention to a possible problem spells disaster for potential buyers. Why draw unneeded attention.
While living in Atlantic Station (in Midtown, Atlanta), the Home Owners Association was always feared for whatever they would do to make our living conditions more hectic. With this particular subject, I feel as if picking individuals who do not pick up after there pet SHOULD be penalized. Now, that being said, this whole "DNA testing" situation may seem extreme upon first glance, but if the HOA is taking it upon themselves & I am not involved whatsoever (considering I DO pick up after my pets), then I really see no problem at all.
ReplyDeleteThe whole idea seems a bit whacky, I'll admit. But, as I stated before, considering the fact that I wouldn't be involved in the whole fiasco, I think it could turn out being a very effective method when attempting to penalize those that do not follow the rules.
I live in an apartment complex and we have the little green bags all around for people to put the dog waste in all over the place but it still does not stop me from seeing it everywhere. I know for a fact here that part of the issue is that people let their dogs roam free in the morning or late at night assuming everyone is in bed. I have never met a dog that has learned how to clean up after themselves nor do I think they will be anytime soon. And I highly doubt the owners are going to try and hunt down their dog’s mess. Although I will have to agree the sight is not pleasant to see it is biodegradable unlike the little green bags that just go onto to landfill and take forever to decompose. I guess what I am saying is that I can see both sides of the coin. I do feel as though the idea of doing a DNA swap of my dog so you can fine me for being more environmentally friendly or lazy whatever the case is a little extreme.
ReplyDeleteChristina D.
ReplyDeleteReally? With all the other ways to use peoples money, dog DNA testing! I am so glad I don't live where there is an H.O.A. My dogs poop in the back yard, and there organic poop disappears when the lawn is mowed, I only have to pay some one to cut the grass. This is an example of the H.O.A. robbing people. They should supply options for people with pets such as bags etc.But could also consider not allowing pets, but then how would they make money? I'm wondering what they are gonna do about the birds pooping on the cars, or how they will be able to afford to tag and test the squirrels! These people in the H.O.A.'s should be regulated themselves. I believe they may have way to much time on their hands, they should volunteer for something or get a hobby!
Linda H.46 in response to Christina D.
DeleteI agree with your comments especially about the organic poop will disappear. Actually, I considered writing about stray cats pooping could also be a problem, but I guest no one actually owns a stray cat. H.O.A's are robbing people blind if they are going to stoop this low to swab a dog in lieu of a fine.
Claire M. 46 response to Christina D.
DeleteI am thankful I live in a neighborhood with no HOA and even more thankful that my dogs trained themselves to use the bathroom in the woods! Unfortunately, this issue is one to consider when buying or renting a place. I personally could never live in an apartment complex..this being just one of the many reasons.
DeMario T.46
ReplyDeleteThis topic remind me of my neighbors. They allow their dogs to poop in my yard and don't think twice about it and just walk away. People that do things like that I find irresponsible but I believe swabbing dogs is just plain crazy and odd.
Erin L.
ReplyDeleteIn this case I would have to say that they are going way beyond what is needed to teach these pet owners to pick up after their animal. People should most definitely be picking up after their pet to make the subdivision/community a cleaner and more pleasant place. I'm sure there are many other logical methods for spreading the word to these insensible people to pick up after their pet, rather than an unnecessary fine. Also, many of the animal droppings around could be from stray dogs, they most certainly would not be able to fine someone there. I would say that the problem for these unwanted droppings being left would be from the lazy people within these communities and not wanting to take the time to pick up their own animals mess.
Linda H.82
ReplyDeleteRegarding swabbing canines to put their DNA on file is extreme. If we are going to get this technical, then you might as well carry a spray bottle and scrub brush to clean your dog’s urine of the concrete too. In my Sub-division, the Home Owners Association requires all dog owners to pick up after their pooch. I believe it is necessary for dog owners to clean-up after their dogs if it is in an area where the homeowner will have to walk, such as near a mailbox or walkway. It’s funny how people will buy cow manure for their lawns and/or gardens, but they do not want dog maneuver on their lawns. It’s free fertilizer. I am anxious to see where this goes.
Linda H.82 should have been Linda H.46
ReplyDeleteSorry. This was my first post.
Donavon W. 47
ReplyDeleteAt first glance this does seem to be an over-reaction on the part of the H.O.A.. However, it is hard to make any absolute statement when one has not actually experienced the situation or circumstance that is concerned. That said, my conclusion is that there are probably bigger things to invest time and energy into, rather than worrying about a dog's excrements. Perhaps other solutions to the problem should continue to be explored. Again, it's not easy to wisely judge anything without having first experienced it.
Jazzmin B.
ReplyDeleteThis idea is not that bad if you weigh the pros and cons. DNA testing sounds extreme but it keeps the yard clean and it lets the pet owners know that they need to take care of their dog's business. Although their are rules in some subdivisions that say clean after your dog but it does not necessary mean that all residents with pets follow them. It makes sense to enforce this DNA testing to prevent the subdivision from turning into a dump disposal.
Jazzmin B. 41
ReplyDeleteDonavon W. 47 in response to Barbara C47
ReplyDeleteI generally agree. It's important to try to understand the extent of the situation and/or problem. Perhaps a realistic method of imposing a fine or reasonable penalty would be better. However, I do think it is important to acknowledge the H.O.A.'s efforts and the fact that they also have the same logically and rational capacities as any other person in creation. Yet perhaps there are better solutions to this one.
Jazzmin B. 41 in response to Linda H.46
ReplyDeleteI agree 100% with your opinion. In my neighborhood its required that all dog owners clean up after pets. It makes sense to clean after your dog but it is crazy to think that people would buy cow manure for fertilization but wont use dog manure.
In my honest opinion this is on the extreme side, bordering on just plain weird. There is much better things this neighborhood could be putting their time and money to use for. While I do agree that people should clean up after their pets (cats included....), I think this is a waste of time and money. Instead of doing this they could focus on providing things like doggie bag post around the 'issue' areas.
ReplyDeleteShould have been Sandra B. 55. Sorry about that.
DeleteMarissa M. 55
DeleteI agree with you! This would be a waste of time and money. Providing a bag post would help with the issue. It would help those who do not remember to bring a bag with them.
Flo K.47 in response to Marissa M.55
DeleteI agree that providing a bag post would help with the issue but, I have seen subdivisions with bag posts yet people still leave the mess. This particular HOA had to go the DNA way probably because the problem was recurring over and over despite the notices for pick up posted everywhere.
I think the HOS is taking this to the extremes. In my opinion, I really don't think it should be necessary for them to take the dog's poop and test it out to see to see whose dog it is. It would cost way too much while they could be using their money on more productive and better ways to improve the condos or subdivisions. As for the people who are not picking up after their dogs, they need to raise the fee for pets or threat the owners if they don't pick up after themselves they will fine everyone in the subdivision or condo.
ReplyDeleteJade S.
ReplyDeleteI think this is rather funny, I mean, how hard is it to pick up after your dog? But then again, why is HOS so worried about cheap fertilizer? The whole thing is drama, that's all people want these days, they feed off of it.
Falinda A. 47
ReplyDeleteHonestly I'm not surprised this doggie issue is happening. Yes I completely agree that dog owners everywhere should pick up the dog mess, I don't want to go outside for a morning walk and see the mess everywhere. But for some reason this problem increased to the fact that their swabbing dogs to match the mess and pay for the fine. Hopefully when people hear about this, it will increase more owners to pick up after their dogs.
Melissa Pope(msmessier77)
DeleteI completely agree. I highly doubt that there will be an officer patrolling the streets for this but if people are aware and know that they will be busted if their dogs DNA is registered, it will make them more cautious.
Marissa M. 55
ReplyDeleteHonestly, this is just extreme and weird. I doubt that this would be taken seriously. People are not going to be patrolling the area for this. I do agree that people need to pick up after their dog though!
Amber H. 78
ReplyDeleteI used to live in Bent Tree, which is a large neighborhood notorious for their H.O.A. rules. We weren't able to let our lawn get to a certain length, we weren't able to plant flowers of certain colors in our lawn, and we couldn't allow guests into the gates after a specific-set time. That being said, I can't imagine having this done to me personally. However, if the dog owner is leaving the said "evidence" behind, then they can't really complain about what the finder does with it afterwards. Obviously this is a pretty serious issue for them, otherwise they wouldn't make such a public stance against it. Whatever helps these people sleep at night, I suppose.
Amber H. 78 in response to Zach F.47
ReplyDeleteI agree entirely with your comment. This might be a tad bit extreme in our eyes, but hopefully it'll open the eyes to many more pet owners like this one. If the owner leaves the feces behind, then it's fair game for someone to pick up and trace back to you. I have no idea how extreme this issue is for this residence, but I find it rude and unsanitary when people walk off after their pets do their business. Hopefully this one instance of people standing up will prevent it from happening elsewhere.
ChelseaW55
ReplyDeleteThis is very extreme and ridiculous. I'm certainly sure it's less drastic measures they can take to get this issue reduced. I can think of a number of things just off the top of my head. I'm not sure how I'd feel being told my dog had to be swabbed over doggie droppings not being picked up. This association needs to exhaust other options before even entertaining this idea. My dog's DNA on file? Please.
Owning a dog means having a companion and taking responsibility to care for the dog. Not picking after your pet makes the environment messy and the fine imposed is to control the attitude of those that are not adhering to the rules, but using DNA as a means to track dog owners is way too far weird.
ReplyDeleteInnocent A.46
ReplyDeleteOwning a dog means having a companion and taking responsibility to care for the dog. Not picking after your pet makes the environment messy and the fine imposed is to control the attitude of those that are not adhering to the rules, but using DNA as a means to track dog owners is way too far weird and waste of money and time just simply use cameras.
Ansley L. 47
DeleteI completely agree and believe that using the cameras is a great idea.
William W.
ReplyDeleteDog DNA in a data base? What's next, people in a DNA data base? This is extreme. I have young kids and would like to use our poop free park as much as the next guy. Most dog owners I hope would take the personal responsibility to clean up but making it a legal battle by charging fines is not the answer. What if the owner of the house is renting it out to a dog owner? What about strays? A little poop on the shoe won't kill you. You are, after all outside. Maybe we should create a deer DNA poop site.
I absolutely agree that people need to be respectful and pick up after their dog. I live in a neighborhood with H.O.A. and we fortunately don't have any problems with this type of situation. My boyfriend lives in an apartment complex where it is constantly an issue though. I still think that this is an extreme and a definite weird way to try to fix it. I don't know anyone that would allow their dog to be swabbed for this type of H.O.A. experiment or pay the fees it would cost.
ReplyDeleteIfeyinwa O.47 in reply to Ciara Prater
DeleteI do agree with you that people should be respectful to pick up after their dogs mess but what if a lost dog make the mess?
Emily Starratt
ReplyDeleteI completely understand why this could be effective in certain places. Though I think it would be better suited in an apartment complex, if the issue can't be helped any other way, where grassy places are often limited. I own dogs myself and I pick up after them when on walks, but I always find others have not. It is gross to come across and I wish others would take the initiative. However, I can't help but find this idea extreme and just weird. I couldn't imagine someone asking for my dogs DNA!
I completely agree with everything you said. It's only unpleasant, it does naturally go away. My neighbors dogs go in my yard, while it makes me mad, I simply mow over it. As others have mentioned, providing posts with dog bags and a place to dispose of the waste would be much more cost effective and less likely to ruffle any feathers. I don't know too many people that'd want their dog DNA tested.
ReplyDeleteLevi Dozier
ReplyDeleteIt's a unique idea to solve an old problem, but as Emily Starrett said, this would probably only work in gated communities and apartment complexes. The cost is also another thing that should be of concern, I wouldn't want my H.O.A fees being used for something like this. Overall, this seems like a very extreme solution that should only be considered if the problem is just as extreme. I think a better idea would be to have the community be the eyes for offenders and report it, at least that doesn't cost extra money.
Kayley Fraker
ReplyDeleteMy neighborhood makes us hide our trash cans because they think thats unsanitary. It's weird, but understandable. If I ever had my community ask to gather my dog's DNA I would get the hell out of there because that's just plain wrong on so many levels to me. I could not live in a community where they are so consumed in who isn't picking up their dog's poop. Who cares? Instead of wasting money for DNA sampling, go out and pay someone to take care of the waste. Simple as that. So yes, in my eyes, this is too extreme.
Michaela Mowers
ReplyDeleteI think this is ridiculous but i also understand. People do not want to see or step in dog poop where they go. They are wasting money and time. They could use this money to better improve the neighborhood or donate the money to something else. Why should they waste their money on a whim that the dog lives in that particular community? The dog could be from a completely different community yet they are going to spend both their time and money thinking it could belong to one of the dogs in the community. This would take up more time than someone who finds it to pick it up or have someone else do so. I think this is extreme. We should not waste valuable time and money on something this ridiculous.
Flo K47
ReplyDeleteI think it is extreme to do DNA on dogs for that purpose, however some people are irresponsible and they can only followregulations when it hurts in the pocket. The neighbors can be sure that they will not step on the dog's mess and this will keep the community clean and the residents happy.
I think its strange. People just need to get a life instead of worrying about dogs poo or where it came from. If its there, just step over it. There will always be people who don't pick up after their dogs.
ReplyDeleteOlivia G.
ReplyDeleteI think this is very extreme. DNA testing an animals excrement to fine a pet owner is absolutely ridiculous and the fact that H.O.A's are having to go to this extent to ensure people pick up after their own pets is even worse. Having a pet is a responsibility which means dealing with the parts that aren't so pretty like picking up dog poop. It is not that difficult to pick up after your pet everyone should just do their part in helping keep the community clean.
Jennifer O. 46
ReplyDeleteAlso, what I didn't think about before, was the length of time these DNA tests are going to take, and this seems like a relatively new technology. While it's being tested, the problem is just going to keep happening and persisting. Why not just trust the usual person saw other person not picking up their dog's poop? Or, trash bin posts, fine warnings, the actual fines, etc. Sure, people can be overdramatic, but so are these DNA tests.
Naomi A. 41
ReplyDeleteYes, I agree that people should be responsible and pick up after their pets, especially in subdivisions and other public areas. however, I think that this is a rather extreme way to go about ensuring that people do so.
Taylor McWilliams
ReplyDeleteWhile i do agree that it is rude and disgusting to leave your dogs poop behind. I do think that this is a very extreme measure to go about making sure that people clean up behind their pets.
Mehdi E. 55
ReplyDeleteI think this is just funny and weird! Why? I believe that swabbing all the canines just to get this dropper of the piece of poop it’s just not ethical. I wonder how long this would take and how much tax money we would need to fund this. I mean sure when I used to walk to the bus stop as a kid with new shoes id step in it and it ruin my day because id only have one pair but to go so far to finding the DNA of which dog did it, is just too much.
Mehdi E.55 in response to Naomi A.41
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with what you’re saying I think it be too much work let alone let’s say the whole neighborhood has a dog and depending how big the neighborhood would be to go door to door to swab a dog it’s just too extreme. However, people should start taking more responsibility.
Ansley L. 47
ReplyDeleteI think the dog owners should absolutely be responsible to pick up after their pets. However, running DNA tests is way too extreme. Giving out fines may teach the owners to always pick up after their pet but the DNA testing is just too much.
Rebecca B.
ReplyDeleteI believe it to be a little over the top. If this becomes an issue complaining starts then they need to treat it like some apartment complexes do and if you are seen leaving a dogs poop you can be reported and fined. Picking up and swabbing dogs poop to figure out which home owner that dog belongs to seems like a long and unnecessary process! The money could also be used on something that is needed.
Rebecca B in reply to Msmessier77
ReplyDeleteI don't agree that it is like throwing a child's diaper in someones front yard at all. You stated that you aren't a pet owner but pets; dogs in specific, have always been taught to use the bathroom outside. I know not picking it up is bad but it's natural and has been for thousands of years.
I think that testing dog poop for DNA is ridiculous and definitely over the top. I am a dog lover, and have two dogs in my home that are my babies. I also don't like the fact that dog owners don't clean up after their dogs, especially in other people's yards. But if it happens, it isn't the end of the world. Any kind of animal feces is natural fertilizer so there is always a silver lining to every cloud!
ReplyDeleteI agree with you also! Dog poop is just unpleasant, it isn't something that should be taken to an extreme such as gathering DNA. I believe people who are focusing so much energy on finding out who's dog pooped in their yard could use that same amount of energy focusing on something like volunteering for a homeless shelter or saving the environment.
ReplyDeleteBrittany S. 46
ReplyDeleteAlthough I think it is extreme to DNA test dogs, I also can understand their frustration with the rudeness and inconsiderate actions of people who refuse to help keep their neighborhood clean and sanitary. As I said above, I do think it is extreme, but I also cannot think of an alternative unless you see someone leaving it there, because how do you penalize someone if you can't prove it was them?
Brittany S. 46 in response to Levi Dozier
ReplyDeleteI didn't think about the cost to the whole neighborhood in HOA fees. It seems unfair that the whole neighborhood has to pay for the rudeness of a couple of people.
Barbara P. 46 in response to Brittany S.
DeleteI agree! I think there should only be a fine to the dog owners. The same way they charge people for having pets in an apartment complex they should do the same in neighborhoods where this issue is on the rise. Pet owners may be angry about it but maybe it'll help them realize to pick up after them.
Brittany S. 46
ReplyDeleteI also wonder if perhaps the amount they are fined would cover the cost of the DNA testing. If so it might not be all that inconceivable in regards to money and time. It is still a little weird though.
Krista P. 47
ReplyDeleteCollecting DNA from dogs in an attempt to catch and fine negligent pet owners in my opinion is not only extreme, but very weird. I believe that owning a pet comes with many responsibilities including picking up after the pet, yet I feel doggie DNA testing and poo sampling is an extreme, costly, and time consuming attempt at a solution to this ongoing issue. In my opinion, if a community is able/willing to go to this extreme, they may be better off hiring an official poo picker upper. Hiring a PPU would not only benefit the community by eliminating the unwanted poo, but save the home owners time, frustration, and money, not to mention it would create a new job opportunity for locals.
Krista P. 47 in response to Msmessier77
ReplyDeleteI understand your frustration in this matter, even more so knowing that you're not even a pet owner yourself, thus not getting any joy from these four legged friends, but only thier misplaced foul secretions. I agree with your comparison to tossing dirty diapers in someones yard. I believe that people should take responsability for their own pets, yet I think this whole doggie DNA poo sampling solution is a bit extreme, time consuming and costly. I also quesion, who would be reponsible for these tests, picking up poo samples, enforcing the laws, and the cost of all this? I don't forsee many applicants for this job either. I don't agree with your entire response to this but you may be right...
Alexis G. 684
ReplyDeleteI think it is acceptable. Homeowners who pay high HOA fees to keep subdivisions maintained shouldn't have to pick up other peoples dog poo, or accidently step in the poo while walking in public areas. When I first moved into my Subdivision, I didn't understand why we had the dog poo disposal boxes, but since I see that a lot of people own dogs in the area. It's great convenient and gives lazy people NO excuse not to clean up after their dog. I also think it is weird, who has time to swab dogs mouths... I guess it is probably one of the stay home people who don't have nothing else to do but walk their dogs and is able to investigate and see how much poo is laying around in common areas due to nasty/lazy people in the area. However if someone wants and can spend $100.00 for each additional swab I am not going to complain since I have to pay high HOA fees to keep the subdivision maintained.
Michael B.55 in response to Alexis G.684
DeleteGood point! Neighborhoods with doggie doo problems should invest in the disposal boxes. That maybe an easier solution than DNA testing.
I could see where this might be acceptable, extreme and just plain weird. Nobody wants that mess around and the people who don't take the time to pick up after their own dog should have to pay somehow. I do feel this approach is a bit extreme though because it just seems like there would be so much effort put towards it and the whole poking at poop to get dog DNA...weird. But, I really cant think of any other way someone could find the lazy owner. If homeowners are willing to put up with it and they pick up after their dog, then there should be no problem.
ReplyDeleteThe DNA swabbing of animals to fine the owners for their messes is just plain weird. This is a law that could easily be avoided. I mean it can be fixed by the collective cooperation of owners to pick up after their dogs. I see how it could be acceptable as they are not hurting anything, just trying to keep the environment clean. It is extreme to an extent as well.
ReplyDeleteIfeyinwa O.47
ReplyDeleteDogs can be so messes and yet they go around jerking their tails. I prefer to relate to dogs as a babies that use diaper. It is not wise for the owner of the dogs to pick up their dogs pooch because they are animals that they don't have idea of a clean environment.
Shayaz A. 41
ReplyDeleteI think it is a good idea to have some way to enforce cleaning up after your dog because it is a nuisance to clean up after someone else's dog. However, this method seems a bit extreme and costly. In my experiences, I have seen dog owners in suits and formal attire cleaning up after their dogs because there are police officers enforcing this law with fines on almost every street corner. The proposed DNA law would be more efficient in subdivisions and apartment complexes because it is not feasible for someone to stand guard on every street. In conclusion, I am for the proposed law because I dislike cleaning up after others' dogs when I cut my lawn.
This is just plain weird, and somewhat laughable. Who would take the time to get doggy DNA and go through the effort of looking through documents to match the dog with its owner. Then eventually fining the owner?
ReplyDeleteSure, it'd create more jobs, but it's just idiotic to actually go through the trouble of doing this. And poop is a good fertilizer for grass (lol).
Lindsey H. 47
DeleteI agree with you on the fact of the time and effort to catalog the profiles then going back through them to identify each tome a specimen is left behind. I will also add however, that dog poop is not really a good fertilizer for grass due to the diet dogs eat.
This makes sense. People not cleaning up after their dogs is nasty and could be potentiality dangerous to other animals with diseases and all. It is also very gross to have to clean up after another persons dog. I don't think the DNA testing would work large scale, cut in places like apartment buildings and small neighborhoods it might.
ReplyDeleteCharles Davis 46
ReplyDeleteI cleaning dog poop is a good thing. This will keep dogs and other animals safe from diseases. In my view DNA testing is a little much.
Lindsey H. 47
ReplyDeleteI believe as a dog owner myself that it is a responsibility to clean up after your dog when you are in public places. I also believe that the DNA testing is really over board and probably not very cost effective. DNA testing and profiling is more common now than it has been in the past and the technology is advancing, but the cost to produce a DNA profile for each dog in the neighborhood and run each sample against the cataloged profiles just sounds exorbitantly expensive to me. Why don't they channel that money into another area that could bring more benefits to the community and help solve the doggie doo problem. For example, investing in security cameras. This would provide higher security for the community and provide an avenue for determining the culprits of the doggie crimes.
Charles D.46 in response to Lindsey H.47
DeleteI agree that DNA testing dog poop in order to charge dog owners fees. If these fees being collected should be use to start a food co-op for the neighborhood. Another suggestion purchase solar lightening for the whole neighborhood.
I as a mother of a young child that lives in a neighborhood I do not want my child rooming through the yard and finding someone's dogs poop in the yard to play with. And as a dog kennel assistant there is no harm in picking up you dogs poop. If you don't then I believe you are too lazy. Therefore I do support communities that implement picking up of one's dog poop, however, having a dogs DNA on file so you can test poop remains is crazy. This act is taking it too far and is a waste of money to do theses test.
ReplyDeleteI think the costs of DNA testing the dog poop in order to fine people will be way to much. The fines will have to be really high in order to keep people from leaving there dog poop everywhere. They could add in a fee in home owner association dues to pay for a clean up crew to not only clean the dog poop if a rude neighbor left from there pooch, but to clean other trash as well. It is a win win... creating jobs and keeping your neighborhood clean without all this DNA stuff!
ReplyDeleteBarbara P. 46
ReplyDeleteDNA testing just to find out who the dogs poop belongs to seems like too much. DNA testing is not cheap and unless the fined the person and also made that person pay for the DNA testing in the first place then maybe it would be ok. But overall it seems like a waste of time and money.
Misty G 46 This is just going way to far if you ask me. I don't think you need to go around and get DNA from dogs for poop. In these HOA do you really think these people would actually do this. Plus I think this is just a waste of money and time.
ReplyDeleteMisty G 46 in response to Barbara P 46 I so agree this whole thing is just a waste of time and money.
ReplyDeleteBrenden D.
ReplyDeletei feel that everyone has the responsibility to clean up after there own dogs. especially if your dog used someone elses lawn as their bathroom. and DNA testing dogs is a little ridiculous
I agree with a lot of other comments made. People should be responsible for cleaning up after their dogs. The DNA testing is too time and cost consuming. My idea would be if you own a dog you have to pay a monthly or annual dog owners fee. Which is right up the alley of most HOA...more fees. Have the HOA hire a company to continuously clean the dog area. Everyone will be happy that it's clean.
ReplyDeleteMadlyn M.47 responding to Aliciea S.82. I do think that an addition cost in the HOA is not a bad idea for these neighborhoods with a seroius problem. Everything is clean and everyone is happy!
DeleteLucrecia.O 47.I do not believe that DNA will work.Persuasion which also offers no guarantee for compliance might work better than DNA swaps.There will be neighbors who even with the DNA swaps and maybe accompanying fines will still not do it.
ReplyDeleteAlison B. 46 in response to Lucrecia O. 47.
DeleteExactly! I can't help but believe that for every person that will comply there will be another person who doesn't - It's just the nature of the beast. You could go with persausion or contracts upon moving where if you are caught you face a charge or consequences, but to take a DNA sample from every animal? Also whose job is it going to be to test said poop?
Wow DNA! I think this is a little overboard. I certainly think dog owners should be held accountable and have to pay fines but I think starting with cameras in the area would be much more cost effective. People just need to go back to old saying that we should treat others the way we would like to be treated. I think this also applies to taking care of our pets.
ReplyDeleteMadlyn M47
TinaP.91 This idea is too costly. Just pay a fee as most places to have someone clean it up. If everyone took responsibility for their actions and did things the right way then it would take away many job opportunities. That's why the world works the way it does. Also, just because you know who did it doesn't mean that they will clean it. Just because a bill is in your name doesn't in fact mean you will pay a company. Once again, that is just how our world functions.
ReplyDeleteVeronica M online 47 in response to Tina P. 91
DeleteTina, I am not sure if you ever watched a television show called 'King of the Hill' but, your response made me think of a particular episode. Bobby Hill, a teenage character on the show, paired up with an adult on career day and did just that. They cleaned up after dogs in parks and neighborhoods. Almost made me consider it as a side job! Lol.
Claire M. 46
ReplyDeleteInsted of spending time and money on DNA testing, neighborhood HOA's could hire someone to "pet watch" similar to neighborhood security watchers. If residents knew they could end up with a fine in their mailbox for failure to pick up poo, it may make the owner more liable to clean up. I believe, however, that there will always be pet owners who "get it" and want to comply, as well as those who could care less about their responsibility and the cleanliness of their neighborhood.
Veronica M online 47
ReplyDeleteAfter reading this blog, my first response was most people want to enjoy their yards without the worry of stepping in doggy poop. But,just how often is a persons yard so covered that it would justify tracking doggie DNA. It is ridiculous and would probably raise the HOA fee, which to my understanding, can be pretty expensive already. But then I thought about some of the shows I've seen on t.v. regarding really bad neighbors who torture each other. A lot of those shows included neighbors allowing their dogs to poop on someones lawn. And, maybe they could also use the DNA to track dogs that attack people. That alone would make me strongly consider the DNA Tracking.
Judy J. 50
ReplyDeleteI believe that the money and time spent on DNA testing for Home Owner Associations is potentially a positive idea for subdivisions and condos. I live in a beautiful, clean, and neat subdivision that is well respected by many residents here. If there were a case where dog droppings were on my property that has been happening continuously, I would support this topic. Dog DNA testing will help catch the culprit and stop the problem immediately. People who do not pick up after their pet is extremely inconsiderate
Michael B. 55
ReplyDeleteI am wondering who would be paying for this DNA testing? The homeowners? This would be extremely frustrating if you are picking up after your dog or if you do not have a dog. It is rude to not pick up after your animal but I think its a little silly to do DNA testing on all dogs in the neighborhood to see who the culprit is.
Devon H. 47. In response to Micheal B. 55
DeleteHonestly it wouldn't matter who has to pay. The fact anyone has to pay for DNA testing on your dog is absolutely ridiculous. I know its a matter of opinion but the entire idea is just a very drastic solution to such an easy issue.
MACAULY BASHAM
ReplyDeleteI believe that it is very rude to not pick up after your dog. I do also believe that to DNA test feces that have been left by dogs is very extreme. I can only assume that there is a more efficient and less expensive way to enforce the feces pick up.
Devon H. 47
ReplyDeleteI think this is quite extreme. Why can't there just be more regulation outside these condos/apartments? Such as security cameras set up to monitor such activity. Either that or some type of huge fee to pay if caught, not just a slap on the wrist. Taking DNA profiles of all these dogs would be too expensive and much too extensive on just one computer mainframe.
Just buy a tree cam that hunters use and leave dioxyribonucleic acid out of this. I could understand if it was a small space and like 20 people were allowing their animals to s*** everywhere, but it's not, so it's a bit ridiculous. Someone needs a new hobby.
ReplyDeleteAlison B. 46
ReplyDeleteAfter reading into this topic and watching the video, I quite frankly find this issue absurd. Instead of wasting the money and energy to do DNA testing on all the animals in the building and who will move into it, why not charge a monthly clean up fee? Animals are always going to use the restroom so this is always going to be an issue. For every animal there is a responsible owner and an irresponsible owner. I understand treating the cause and not the symptom but this is a little too out there for me.
Chelsea B. 47
ReplyDeleteI think this is extreme and just plain weird. If it is that much of an issue within a community then they should be allowed to take extra measures to ensure a clean environment for all the people of said community. However, doggie DNA gathering is more than unnecessary. Charge dog owners a fee if the problem persists.
Chelsea B. 47 In response to Alison B. 46
ReplyDeleteI agree that a monthly clean up fee should be charged if the problem continues. However, I do not think it should be charged to non-dog owners. A lot of apartment complexes have started charging a pet rent. That could be used to pay for the necessary clean up.
Christopher Deaton
ReplyDeleteI think this to big of a solution for to small of a problem. This would be waste of time, money, and effort for something that is not that big of a deal. I really think this is just a neighborhood full of rich people who are looking for something to complain about.
Ben Gallimore
ReplyDeleteI think people are taking this to a new extreme. Animals have been using the world as a toilet for millions of years and for many years to come. Some people have way too much free time on their hands and need things to complain about.
Jessica S.
ReplyDeleteThis is so ridiculous. I can't even begin to explain how much I can't handle the stupidity. Feces is a fertilizer it doesn't destroy the grass. I hate stupid people.
(Please no one patronize me. This is just my opinion on the matter.)
Cassaundra Wenzler
ReplyDeleteI think that this is a little extreme. But I can also see their side of it because I work with dogs on a daily basis and I know how much of a problem it is with some dogs around another dogs feces. There is probably a bigger story behind it all but I think that this was probably maybe just a scare tactic to make sure that the feces was picked up. Can you imagine how much it would cost to send in samples from every little poop pile hanging around?
Norma C41.
DeleteI agree with you that it's a little extreme. I think there are more important things to spend time and money, like real crimes, other than getting a dog's DNA and later finding out who is responsible for not picking up a dog's droppings.
although if you are living in a condo or apt it should be common sense or common courtesy to pick up after your pet, but for the HOA to try in implement a program where they will test the feces and fine the owner of the dog is a little bit to extreme.
ReplyDeleteStephanie F. 47
ReplyDeleteI think this is a little bit too extreme. First off, I definitely wouldn't be the one going around swabbing poo and testing it to see whose dog it is. Even then, what if it's no one's dog and its just a wild animal like a fox? Does anyone care enough to take the time to do that? I think that if someone is clearly not picking up after their pet they should be fined. But not tracked down. We need to be putting our time into more important thinks. Not poop.. Just sayin'.
Stephanie F. in response to M Lyons
ReplyDeleteI agree. It just seems like too much effort put into an almost pointless thing. It's part of life after all. And I'm sure that the feces will deteriorate by natural causes.