The Occupy Atlanta continues in the face of growing political resistance. The Occupy Movements around the country promote issues that affect all of us.
1. What is your opinion on the method the Occupy Movement is using to promote change?
2. Do you think the Occupy Movements will lead to real and lasting social change?
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Jason H-67
ReplyDelete1) I think that the method the Occupy Movement is using is brilliant! It's non violent and when people gather in groups and squat dead smack in in front of what they're protesting, it really speaks volumes! History also shows us that this is the best way to go about making change on certain issues.
2)Yes, I do believe that that Occupy movements will lead to real and lasting change. History shows us that when enough people demand and threaten to stop using the subjects services, they will eventually fold. The only reason why large corporations treat us the way they do is because we don't have enough soldiers out there that are willing to fight.
1. I think the method is not the greatest but it is better than others in the past; they are not hurting anybody and that is the main thing I would worry about. 2. I do not think that there will be a change because they are not being violent and aggressive about it. There method is great but I dont think it will work.
ReplyDeleteJason H-67 responds to Erica D
ReplyDeleteErica wrote that she thinks there will not be change because of them not being violent. I cant recall throughout history when violence worked when trying to chance the practices of corporations. It may have happened, but in my opinion non violence is really the way for them to get their point across.
Kudi
ReplyDeleteThe method of nonviolent is great; however, the method of using the tax payer’s money is not so great. The city of Atlanta has hundreds of police officer working overtime, which is costing tax payer. I don’t know if the movement will lead to real or lasting social change, only time will tell. Social changes start with a small group of people who dared to stand up.
Rob T.... I think in my opinion that the method they are using is dumb if you want to change how thing are going that what elections are for. I really do not think it’s going to change anything other than them getting a criminal record for criminal trespassing.
ReplyDeleteMaria S
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, I believe that it is great whenever we see people who are passionate about something,specially when they become organize and speak their minds. During the 60's many people did that. They were attacked for their convictions... they stood against the Vietnam War and supported Civil Right Movement.It was an era where people united, and fought for a common cause. I think that today's protesters are just that... People becoming organized and people standing up for a common cause. It is great. The fact that they are occupying a public space... Well, they got to occupy somthing, or how exactly are they going to get notice. As long as they remain a peaceful bunch... POWER TO THE PEOPLE.
Will they accomplish anything? I do not know. They are definetely sparking conversation. Young people are starting to become more interesting about why there are people occupying wall street, Atlanta, and many more cities in the country. So I do think that it is serving a purpuse... Getting people to talk about the many problems our nation is facing (like Bankruptcy, War, Unemployment, and forclosures) is a good start.
Maria S
ReplyDeleteI meant to say people are starting to become more interested... not interesting. I am sure that they all are very interesting people...hahaha.
Domenic R.70
ReplyDelete1. I like the fact that the Occupy Movement is using a non-violent approach to attempt to get a message heard. I do not like that this movement has hurt some of the small business's in the area, and the park can not be used for it's intended purpose.
2. Do you think the Occupy Movements will lead to real and lasting social change?
2. No, I do not think the Occupy Movements will lead to real and lasting social change. What are these people really trying to do? I have not heard one person from the Occupy group give any type of intelligent answer about what their movement is really about. The media has many more answers, but I want to hear it from the person that is protesting. On the Occupy's home page, I get this: "By joining the nationwide Occupy movement, we will focus the attention of elected officials and the voting public on the majority’s desire to take our government and country back from the big money interests which currently hold undue sway over decisions affecting us all. We are coming together in large numbers to effect this change." WHAT? Sounds like a politician. If I am part of this majority that they are representing, I would like to see specifics of what they are protesting. I do not want to hear the crap of how corporations are making so much money and will not share it with us. Kim Kardashian is making just as much and her show is still getting ratings.
Patti S 70
ReplyDeleteI think the idea to use our Freedom of Speech to stand up for what you believe in is wonderful. I do believe you must do in within the limits of the law. The law gives us the freedom to protest, but we should also obey the other laws when doing so. I don't believe in the "Robin Hood" theory. If people work hard they should be rewarded for doing it. I don't believe in continuously giving to people who don't want to work. I may not make what I want to make at my job, but that is why I am in school. I completely agree with Domenic that not one person from this movement has given an intelligent answer. From what I have watched on the news, these people are just looking for someone to blame for their problems instead of having a true political message.
Lelia C.
ReplyDeleteI believe what the Occupy Movement represents is a wonderful example of why we live in the United States. They get Freedom of Speech just like the rest of us. It doesn't matter if you believe in what they believe in. I do however agree that this country is in need of a major change if we are to survive as a nation. It is true if enough people get together and rally then you will be noticed...but if there isn't at least a small number of people within your group who actually have power to bring about change then I believe it is a waste of time. You can protest, rally, even run around naked if you'd like but if you have no power then you have no change. The method they are using is good for getting noticed but unless they get some powerful and wealthy people in their wonderful group then it won't work.
Denell B-70
ReplyDelete1. What is your opinion on the method the Occupy Movement is using to promote change? I don't agreee wtih the method that they are using. It is public property and they do have the right to camp there but where do you draw the line? The Tea Party is now threating to sue if they were not allowed to do the same.
2. Do you think the Occupy Movements will lead to real and lasting social change? No, I believe the only thing that they have accomplished it to be noticed and heard. So, I guess that is a step in their direction, Not a social chnage.
Denell B-70
ReplyDeleteIn response to Domenic R.70
I agree that the media has given most of the intelligent answers concerning the terms of the movements. And they do sound like politicians. They should choose one intelligent speaker to speak for them. In every interviw that I have heard they are just complaining about staying in the park. I deal with the media in Atlanta and I just received an email stating " The park is now closed" Anyone inside risks arrest- including media.
1. What is your opinion on the method the Occupy Movement is using to promote change?
ReplyDeleteI think that this is a just a large group of people that want a change but are unable to see the BIG PICTURE.. as well as the ramifications of what they would consider a "positive" change. We rely greatly on the political and economic systems of this country, and although they are flawed, they will not change over night.. and I'm afraid protesting won't help.
2. Do you think the Occupy Movements will lead to real and lasting social change?
From what I've seen, the majority of the people participating in these protests are highly uneducated on what they are protesting. Also, there is no real order to the protests, and their goal is not clear. I also feel that the media has turned this into the "cool" thing to do through mass posts on social networks and media coverage on television. It's all hype and will pass quickly.
Lafarah P.
ReplyDeleteI believe that their ways are pure they are not hurting or destructing anything, they are peacefully fighting for what they believe in and that is the best way to go.
I don't think that their ways will necessarily work or get results I believe that depends on the company they are attacking wether they can afford to loose people or not. That's what will determine the groups success.
I think that occupy atl is a good idea because sometimes we feel as if we go unnoticed anyways in the sea of everyone elses problems and dont say anything but if we all speak up we may just find that we havethe same problems as other people and the reason why they arent getting addressed is because the leaders of america claim there arent enough people complaining about it for me to move on the subject. it also makes it really hard for the issues to be ignored when 99% of a stateor nation is in your face and since it is nonviolent you have no reason to try to dismiss them. Ido think it will evoke some work our of our leaders but icant sayhow long it will last, politicians tend to do the bear minimum while you arelooking to get you off their back at times like these
ReplyDeleteSparkle R.
ReplyDelete1) My opinion of the Occupy Atlanta is a good idea. They are positive and trying to get the country back together.
2) I believe it depends on the individuals themselves and the people's involvement on if it will actually make a change.
I think the method for Occupy Atlanta is good. The non-violent "occupy" approach shows that the resistance to the "1%" is strong and willing to protest/stay to the end. However, the movement alone cannot effect change. Understanding that the 1% gets many privileges is the first step and demonstrating our anger towards this is great, but we have to esculate the protests. March on Washington, call out politicians, and be louder. This movement is to passive. Politicians hold too much power because we allow them to. The movement is great for gathering support, but change will happen when we force our government to make the necessary changes to ensure economic stability.
ReplyDeleteI think that the non-violent method to drawing attention to their issues is an appropriate method, however there is always great danger of when people are in groups that trouble can arise because of hot-heads and trouble makers. This could negatively impact the publics opinion of what issues are trying to be addressed. You also face the danger of offending the tax payers that must pay for the overtime for authorities and offending the citizens that would normally be using the parks.
ReplyDeleteWhether this will lead to true social change still remains to be seen. The hippies of the 1960s thought they would change the world, but have become part of the corporate world that most of these new people are protesting.
The question of wealth and it's distribution has been one that has affected society through out the ages and so far no one has come up with a successful or practical solution. There is no doubt that people are upset with the government, the banks and corporation and this movement has seemed to have struck a nerve with the citizens.
The success will depend on the leadership of this movement and whether they can sway public and polictical opinion.
Tracey D (67)
In response to Chris A -
ReplyDeleteI agree there doesn't seem to be any direction of the movement. There is alot of idealism without thought to the consequences of the changes they demand. Is it fair to take from some to give to others? That doesn't appear to be the American way, where we are expected to work for what we have. If they can translate their actions and energy into polictical actions then perhaps this movement maybe more successful, but right now it is too unfocused.
Tracey D (67)
Latanya K-95
ReplyDeleteI think that the method Occupy movement is using is a great way to get people involved. It only takes one voice. It's always a positive thing thing when people of all nationalities can come together under one concenses and make life altering decisions for the greater good.
As far as the real and lasting social change, I've seen many groups come and go. The question i have is... Are you here today and gone tomorrow? We've always had voices and our own opionion,we're the ones that elect our leaders because we stand behind them and how they plan to make changes for the better,what makes this movement so different? Is this something new? I'm down playing this movement at all, but i believe that if we're going to start something, we need to see it straight through.
latanya k-95
ReplyDeleteSpelling error. Last sentence, i meant to say... I'm not downplaying this movement at all,
Latanya K-95 in response to Rob T
ReplyDeleteI found your statement very intresting and i agree some what. You were right when you stated
"that's what elections are for". I 100% agree. What i dissagree with you, is when you mentioned that "I really do not think it’s going to change anything other than them getting a criminal record for criminal trespassing" remember...this is a non violent group, so i believe if there told to leave they'll leave. I'm just saying.
I will be honest. I do not watch the news that often, but have vaguely heard about this movement. From what I get from this, it is a crowd of people who complain about how the economy is. Well, yeah, it is not good. I do not know how effective this will be, but my question would be is that all that they are doing? You can protest all you want to, and yes, it might change. However, will it change for the better or will it change for the worse? Last I heard, Georgia was one of the lowest job opening states. The doors for jobs are not opening. People who are on drugs and what-not, are all getting the financial assistance, whereas, someone who is actually struggling is fighting to get the assistance they need. I hope something good does come out of this.
ReplyDeleteIn response to: Patti S 70
ReplyDeleteI agree. This is a good way to practice the Freedom of Speech, but we must also obey and respect the surrounding laws. Like I said earlier in my original post, I do not know much at all about this movement, but having read some of the other responses, I agree with this.
Michelle J.
ReplyDelete1) I suppose it makes sense to those who’ve been unsuccessful in finding gainful employment. But to many it is a lot of nonsense because the people in the movement do not have a clear objective of why they’re protesting. My opinion is not to take sides but to remain neutral so as to understand one side over the other.
2) No because I feel real, lasting social change comes from divine education. Education that would help all people to ascent to God’s wisdom to carry out his will upon this earth instead of irrational demands and frustrations of independent thinking.
MaryO-70
ReplyDelete1. We are so blessed to live in a country where we can voice our opinions and concerns when done in a way that is compliant to the rules and laws established. So I think if people want to have their voice heard in a non-violent way that is great. Many people in our country are hurting in so many ways from financial burdens to raising children alone because your husband or wife in deployed over seas. Being able to have a voice and to be heard is what makes this county so great, and hopefully those in political positions will sit up and take notice!
2. Yes, people coming together can make great strides and changes in our country!
Mary O-70
ReplyDeleteIn response to Jason....I agree with his viewpoint...just look at history...change would never happen if people didn't take a stand for what they believed in and felt passionate about.
Octavius G
ReplyDelete1.I think occupy Movement is using the right way to express their feeling against the government. This is the only way which you can show your government your patience is fading away and you are ready for a different approach. It may not necessarily work but it alerts the the government that people are having no trust with them since they are doing nothing to make their life easy. How is it possible for a millionaire to make so much and yet pay less revenue than the one struggling to make ends meet. How poor are they gonna be just by paying higher taxes? These are the reasons which make the middle class organize movements like Occupy Atlanta to speak against the social oppression.As long as it is not violent, it is the way to go to wake up a reluctant government to work for everybody but not for the rich.
2.If people don't back off no matter the threats, and the number increases based on how sensible the movement is, it can lead to a real and lasting social change. But people having no time since they have to bring their daily bread to the families, may be a reason for a weak movement. No one want to be out there all day and yet his bills need to be paid, hence the low turn out which may discourage even the organizers.
RebeccaG69
ReplyDelete1. I think it is a good way to promote change in a non-violent way. I think that the way the message is being shared is effective because it shows that they are peaceful, and they care about their country and what they believe is the real problems that it's facing.
2. Maybe, Movements like this in the past worked eventually.
RebeccaG69
ReplyDeleteIn response to...Domenic R.70
Try reading the newspaper and going to the occupy wall street website. they have a constitution, and a clear message. If you wait for the "mainstream" media to tell you what they are all about, you will be waiting a long time.
Domenic R.70
ReplyDeleteIn Response to RebeccaG69
Feel free to post the Occupy Atlanta's constitution, I could not find it.I have looked at the website and watched their video, and still do not find their message clear. I am quoting this from their website, "...desire to take our government and country back from the big money interests which currently hold undue sway over decisions affecting us...". As they blog from their ipad and iphones, are they considering that Steve Jobs net worth was 7 billion?
Reading the newspaper is part of the mainstream media since they own so many television stations. The companies that are getting their messages out, are the same companies they are protesting. Since I'm not sure if their protesting Bill Gates, The Heinz Corporation, The Rockfeller's or Oprah Winfrey, I am speculating.
I think that the occupy movement to promote change can be a good and bad thing. It all depend on who is behind promoting for change, and if the change sound like a reasonable effective reasons.
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Megan C.
ReplyDeleteI don't think the Occupy Movement will be that affective. Although I think it's good that its none violent way to express feeling, it's using tax payers money. If we the people want change to happen we need to vote. I don't think it will lead to lasting change. People may be heard, but plenty of people have something to say.
Michael S-69
ReplyDeleteThe Method that the Occopy Movement is using seems perfectly fine. However there message at times seems to be very unclear. In the mist of talking about corporate greed, or gas prices, these people start talking about global warming and all kind of other garbage. Look I dont like the way things or going with our government neither but we do have a voice, it's called VOTE! If people would pay more attention to the people were puttting into office then maybe we could cut back on some of these issues. Instead people are leaving their families, homes, and responsibilities to walk the streets and protest. I hope the true message is heard and we can get some results from there strong efforts. However most of the people I talk to think these people are nut jobs and the message is unclear. So no I do not think the movement will lead to any Social Change. Although If everyone will go to the poles in 2012 we can make a change we all can believe in. REMEMBER THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MichaelS-69 in response to MeganC
ReplyDeleteMegan has this thing figured out. I agree 100% these people are costing us tax dollars for parading the streets. I just wonder how many of them people actually voted. I beat that would ba an interesting statistic hun? LOL
MichaelS-69
ReplyDeletewow I probably shoud have read over my response I missed all Kind of keys. Thats funny! Sorry about all the type O's in that response folks. Im laughing my but off right now. WOW
The technique of non-violence is totally appropriate for an issue such as this. The 'Occupy' folks show themselves to be reasonable and honorable in using self control. An outsider can expect to receive reasonable treatment or explanation of their cause. I don't expect any great changes from this movement directly, but it does add to the pressure that is put on the real change makers. Now they can't lie and say that the 'Tea Party' folks are just kooks. People across the board are feeling disaffected.
ReplyDeleteConstance C. 67
ReplyDeleteI work with a few people who are a part of this movement. It may be a one sided way of looking at it but from what ive heard them say i fully agree with what they are trying to do. Some think that the way they are going about it will make no difference but the thing is, it only takes one voice. When one voice can reach out to that many people its amazing. I think they are right in how they are going about things. They are making themselves and their points known without causing any real harm or damage to anyone or anything. They are taking a stand. It may not be tomorrow, and it may not be next year but if they stay strong and continue to let the world know that they are there and what they want I believe in the long run this movement has a chance of winning.
Constance C. 67
ReplyDeletein response to Megan C
Voting only helps so much. In the end the main people out there making the decisions has some what of a control over us. They make sure people tell us exactly what they want us to think to influence a false vote. in the end everyone could vote for one person but because its not really up to us the other may win. I'm not sure how much voting will help with the occupy atlanta movement, but then again i may be wrong. It may be cost us money in the end, but thats just one more way of making the decision makers see that they are serious in what they are fighting for. Besides in the end there was no need for all the extra reinforcement, the guys on top did it just to pretend like they were trying to do something. odds are they could have cared less if all those people were outside protesting. They just didn't want to look to bad in front of national television!
I looked at the website and I am still confused as to why these people are occupying atlanta and other places in this country? I am not sure if they are even sure they know what they are making this stance for? The media has obviously portrayed these protests as "hippie" "unorganized" and the cause to be "unknown". They need to figure out what it is that they are upset about, make those reasons public and known, and then begin speaking out about what they would like to change that would make them happy. This disorganization, and unclear motive is discrediting their purposes and makes them look like a joke. Sarah B 16
ReplyDeletein response to constance what is it that they are fighting for or making a stand for? Since you know some people who are involved could you tell us what they have told you. I agree peaceful stances are the best (as with Martin Luther King) but I would like to know what there stance is to figure out if I believe in it as well.. or not. Thank you :)
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HERB-67
ReplyDeleteI have no issues with peaceful assembly and demonstration. It is one of the perks we have as a Constitutional Republic.
@Jason H
ReplyDeletefrom HERB-67
All I know is if we're going to rock the boat, we'd better have a plan for getting back to shore once we tip it over.
To be able to answer your first question with any sort of accuracy, wouldn't we first need to know what exactly is the "change" that the occupy folks demand?
ReplyDeleteIf they want to be taken seriously, they first need to be coherent. Otherwise, the general public may try to figure out for themselves what the occupy movement is all about, and get the wrong idea.
For instance, with no clear message, the public may look at some of the images of the protesters and make their own judgment.....say a regular guy is watching TV and sees the picture of one of the occupy people defecating on a police car.....or the pictures of public parks totally trashed from occupy people 'forgetting' to throw their trash away.....or the reports of sexual assault amongst some of the occupiers.....or the scene that I just watched, that featured some occupiers screaming at a policeman, "You're a fucking joke!".....you know, enough stuff like this, and the uninformed public may get the wrong impression or something.
Will they be able to effect change? Who knows? If we don't know precisely what change they want to effect, then if the change happens, how would we know it?.....just sayin'
In response to Sarah B16.....
ReplyDeleteI concur.
ALICE-P (70)
ReplyDeleteThe Occupy Movement is not well understood by me, I guess there message to me seems to be unclear. I don’t really understand there point of this movement that why it seem unclear to me. Even though the world is full of politics, we hear what they going to do but never done, at this present moment we don’t need another movement we already have a lot of problems going around us, we need to open our eyes and watch our surrounding. So no I do not think this movement will lead to any social changes for now because it is not the right time to demonstrate. So we need to vote for the right people so they can fight for our country, not the greed ones.
Linuel S67
ReplyDeleteI think the Occupy Wall Street group is just a group of spoiled entitlement brats. If someone goes to school, or has a special talent, and works hard in their business, they should make the good pay. Business owners are the ones taking the risk as well, they stand to lose a lot of money if their business fails, they have to invest money to make money. They create jobs! Granted, a lot of the factories are now overseas, but that is a government issue, if you make it cheaper to have an overseas factory than here... You see where this is going. Also, most businesses donate a lot of money every year to various organizations because they can write it off on their taxes. If I want to help someone out or donate my money, that should be MY choice, not the government's choice or a bunch of Occupiers who feel like they deserve it or know better how to spend it. Some of the things they have come up with are just rediculous. As far as if the Occupiers will change anything? Who knows! I'm not really surprised by anything these days.
Linuel S67
I couldn't agree more with Patti S70's statement "... these people are just looking for someone to blame for their problems instead of having a true political message."! I get that people are frustrated with the state we're in right now, but if you just want to blame and whine you're not doing anything to solve the problem, you're just making yourself look stupid on TV.
Dana M. 70
ReplyDeleteI do not watch the news that much so I did not know many details about this topic until I researched. I had heard of it but that was it. After researching this some, I must say I was not impressed.
I agree that the fact they are not hurting any one is the only good thing I found out, but in my opinion their only goal is to be seen. Every clip or article that I saw or read could not tell me specifically what they are protesting. Every person asked gave a different answer. It seems to me that their main concern is not standing up for something. It is just stand and make sure the camera gets me in its view. Every one has pointed out that they are not hurting any one. Well maybe not directly. Just this morning on the news they announced that it will cost $30,0000 to repair the damages to Woodruff Park. Who do you think will pay for this? Their actions may not be causing anyone to make a trip to the emergency room, but in the long run I am sure it will hurt me. More than likely tax dollars will pay for that. I would like to know I am working and paying taxes for some thing more important than someone's 15 seconds of fame.
Dana M. 70
ReplyDeleteIn response to Linuel S67
I am total agreement. I could not have said it better. If a person is going to put themselves in front of the camera, they better make sure they know what they are about!
1. What are they actually standing up for. They did not state a partically one thing they were there for. They want to the authorties to say what they were going to do to change things. What things? In my opinion what things are they going to change? When they figure this out then the non-violent way is the way to go.
ReplyDelete2. Yes I do. But before they can make changes, they have to decide what is the first thing they are going to try and fix it. But until that time it is not going to do any good to protest.
Eric D....I respect your opinion but do not agree with violence. Violence causes deaths and heartaches.
ReplyDeleteAndrea B. (67)
ReplyDelete1. What is your opinion on the method the Occupy Movement is using to promote change?
I agree with the method of peaceful/non-violent protest that the Occupy Movement is using to promote change. In the past it has initiated positive change and been the cause of reform all around the world (e.g. Mahatma Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr., the Million Man March, etc .)
2. Do you think the Occupy Movements will lead to real and lasting social change?
I do not think the Occupy Movement will lead to real and lasting change because though they are using ‘peaceful protest,’ they are too vague about what exactly they are protesting. Seem to me that most people are unsure about the ‘cause.’ I think success will come from more specific, clearly stated reasons for the protests, and from having some more organization to the ‘occupancy’ of Federal property; there needs to be more than a show of support by numbers to effect change . Eg. Placing a call to action for, educators in the movement and the public at large, to protest against what is happening to our education system - from pre-k to college/university; or for medical personnel to ‘occupy’ against the health plan and the inadequacies of the health sector as a whole. I’m just saying.
Andrea B. (67) in response to Melissa D.
I absolutely agree with your post Melissa. I think that the power of the 1% is too great for simple occupancy or to even tilt the scale in the favor of the 99%. It will require strategies that cause the 1% to realize the influence the 99% has on their bottom line. ONLY after that will seeing the solidarity of the 99% cause the 1% to make any changes.
La Tonya C-67
ReplyDeleteThere was a time when I would have said no I don’t think this type of demonstration would change anything, but having witness change in the face of adversity, when all hope of understanding between groups seemed futile, mountains were not merely moved but obliterated. Where lack, anger, chaos and destruction once stood…they were abruptly replaced by prosperity, hope, harmony and reconstruction. I believe that we have forgotten that a single voice is still just a power today as it was in the past. And the voices of many can shake a country to its core. In our society today, were reality TV and NEWs Media reward and make infamous, individuals whose accomplishments of nothing more profound than the leaders and citizens of their country, all would seem lost. Unless, we decide and soon… to restore the power of our voices back to their respectful places and set our actions “(Don’t talk about it, “be about it”, “Say what you mean and mean what you say)” demonstrate the force by which we stand, I fear that in time we will have lost more than we ever can recover in our lifetimes, once again leaving our children to pick-up the shattered pieces of those who lost their voice. There comes a time when you have to ask yourself… Is it truly harder to stand-up for 10 minutes, than it is to struggle for 10 years?
For this to have longevity in society, the community has to ensure that their voices never fall on the death ears of those whom they’ve elected, and if that appointed politicians pledge to the community (which they’ve accepted by taking up the public position) is somehow forgotten… then that not so tiny voice of the people can be summoned once more.
If we start enforcing our power of governing those whom we elect into office, by inundating their emails, voice mails, requesting meetings with them and their staff for explanations for their acts taken as it pertains to government issues, as a community. We could actually era in a new forum of news worthy entertainment “For the people by the people” blogs, emails, mass texts and good old fashion word of mouth can have more effect than any major network out there, if we stay in the lanes of politics, identifying/ root causing the issue and coming to the table with possible solutions for a fix and not a soapbox for venting, casting accusations and assigning blame; because the one thing we “all” already know is that the systems broke and no amount of complaining or whining is going to fix it.
La Tonya C.67 in response to Herb.67
ReplyDeleteI agree with you, before you cut down a tree you should’ve planned were it will land. Not being ready for the repercussions of ones actions can end up bringing a whole infrastructure down on one’s head.
Octavio P 41
ReplyDeleteIt really bothers me to see how long and what it took for we the people to realize the immoral distance that separate us from one another.
In my opinion, nothing has changed and nothing will ever change until we decide to do what’s right and not what feels right. Suddenly a lot of people grew a conscience. It’s a totally different issue when hard times hit home, isn’t it? Being radical all of a sudden becomes acceptable within the masses. Struggle wakes up the sense of defeat for lots of people that forever where too cozy and blissfully “ignorant” of the living conditions in which lots of their fellow Americans had lived forever as well. It might appear as an act of fearlessness and audacity for many and I respect their opinion, but why did it take so long to shake the fabric of our so disproportionate social context. Maybe today’s 99 was yesterday’s 90, 80 even 70? What’s the magical number?
In my opinion the clash of classes in the United States do not fit the kind of battle that will move the majority of the constituency. Do these citizens have the right to protest? Yes they do. The economic situation of the nation or the states should never be an excuse for the government to curtail such a significant democratic instrument.
A lot of these people protesting and occupying all these cities around the country do not have a job so they have time to be there. Most of them will eventually find a job, most likely at a minimum wage and most likely they will go back to their regular, normal life again. The togetherness of groups will dissipate as well and we will continue to live in separate “cliques”, and around those that share our ideas.
The method used by the Movement might not be perfect but the demonstrations are happening and the feeling of the possibility for accomplishment is real. On the other hand, the lack of results might push those that could be easily manipulated by radical leadership into violence. We as Americans should understand the ramifications of our system and how dysfunctional it could be at times. The options are too scary and I believe a quick look at today’s world news should be sufficient enough to realize that.
“The only obligation which I have a right to assume is to do at any time what I think is right”-Henry David Thoreau
Octavio P- 41 in response to Jason H 67
ReplyDeleteI’m also against violence. When we talk about non violence, two of my heroes come to mind, Martin Luther King and Gandhi. I believe that both of them knew the sacrifice that their actions would eventually entail and both surrender to a Higher Power for the good of humanity. Today I look around and sadly I do not see leaders. I do not see men or women willing to sacrifice their power even less their lives for nobody. We live in an era where the deficiency of dignity and ethics are ruling the actions of those in positions of leadership. Leaders fight for a cause because is for the benefit of the people not because it fits their personal or political agenda. I hope this generation realizes that they must come with fresh ideas and possibly a new socio- economic system that could bring a much more balance way of living to our society.
Elizabeth V.
ReplyDeleteI think that protesting by way of nonviolent means is brilliant. That being said the group is unfocused, with splintered ideas, and no real solution or for that matter no real specific problem. What exactly are they asking wall street to do? To incite change you must address a specific problem then have the solution you would like to see. One speaker would be great a cohesive voice. Now do I think these protests will change things? Yes whether good or bad I don't know, but you know what they say be careful what you ask for.
ToniaD15
ReplyDeleteI think that Occupy Atlanta's nonviolent method is great. There is enough violence going on in the world today. The are exercising their freedom of speech and the use of numbers to try and make a change. I am not exactly sure if their movement is going to make a real and lasting social change. They have no specific point of view, but they do let their purpose be known, so this movement may or may not produce a change.
ToniaD15
ReplyDeleteIn response to Denell B-70
You are right, Occupy Atlanta definitely has made themselves heard and noticed. I am sure that was their intention and just that, may be the START of a social change; to be HEARD.
I think the protesters are protesting the right way. I'm not to familiar with what they are trying to do so I cannot say whether I'm in supposrt of it or not. But I will say I'm glad to see they are being non violent. I believe if they were to continue picking up followers it could make a lasting impact on our country.
ReplyDeleteIn response to Elizabeth V.
If they do not have a specific purpose, you are right it won't make a difference. You can't have 1000 members and all have different intiatives or you will fail. You have to be united under a key issue.
Brisa L.70
ReplyDelete1. To be honest this is the first time hearing about occupy movement, however the method Occupy movement is using I do not think is good. If they really want to accomplish something there are smarter ways to do things other than just camp out permanently outside of a facility to protest. This is causing an inconvenience to the people who are working or trying to make a living.
2. I don't believe the occupy movement will lead to a social change because the people protesting are trying to turn this country into socialism and this will cause even more problems economically, socially and politically in the American.
Brisa L. in response to Linuel S. 67
ReplyDeleteI agree with Linuel about the people like us that are going to school and work hard to achieve something are those that deserve good pay and the best in life.
Samisha S67
ReplyDeleteIf Occupy Atlanta does not harm businesses and people, then I think it is okay. Everyone has a right to speak their mind and fight for what they believe in. However, I wouldn't be apart of it. I think today people need to work harder to get what they want, I don't believe you should blame anyone but you for the way your life is. Personally, I do not think it will change anything!!
Samisha S67
ReplyDeletein response to Brisa L.70
I absolutely agree with you. Put all that energy into something else. It is not right to inconvenience others.
Thomas L67
ReplyDelete1. Nothing is better than seeing a group of people with great knowledge come together and make something positive out of it. We cant let the 1% trample on us. If we fdo the next generation will suffer.
2. I do think they lead real and lasting changes. Because the look out for who`s coming next. The future., the people who one day will be taking care of us.
Thomas L67
ReplyDeletein a respone Samisha67
Hey freedom of speech is the way to go!
Rachael H~69
ReplyDelete1. They are sending a non-violent message, and they are able to do it because of freedom of speech. But there are also people that come from Canada for example, to participate in the protests that just want to be a part of something.
2. I don't think that movement will lead to lasting social change, because right now people can stand outside in the weather and not be cold. Once the weather changes the people that are in colder climates will have to go home. I also don't think they are very effective. The people that live near the park in NYC are tired of being disturbed in their every day life. The people that are protesting are a nuisance, and need to go out and get jobs.
Rachael H-69 in response to @Samisha S67
ReplyDeleteSamisha S67 said....
If Occupy Atlanta does not harm businesses and people, then I think it is okay. Everyone has a right to speak their mind and fight for what they believe in. However, I wouldn't be apart of it. I think today people need to work harder to get what they want, I don't believe you should blame anyone but you for the way your life is. Personally, I do not think it will change anything!!
Rachael H
I couldn't agree with you more. People need to go out and get jobs and be responsible for their lives. You can't sit around and expect things to happen for you. That is why I don't think this movement will be very effective.
Renee A 67
ReplyDeleteI have only seen bits and pieces of this movement on the news. They seem to be able to get on the news every night so they are being heard. It kind of reminds me of the 70's protest of war. But I don't thing they are going to make a social change. We all know what is going on now and I don't think they are going to help issues by camping out in a park. They need to get a job or if they have one be glad they do and go back to it.
First of all, the right to demonstrate and express one's opinion is an individual decision and in the United States there is nothing legally or morally wrong with that. I do not however feel that there will be any major changes affected. I am sure that some of the issues and topics will receive attention and there are some changes that will be made; however, there seem to be so many issues that not all can be addressed and even if they are I am sure not to the degree that the organisation is looking for.
ReplyDeleteDaquan F-70
ReplyDelete1. A nonviolent approach is always the best way to go. They're making websites, they are gathering large groups of people for protests, and they are showing that they are serious about their cause (Which isn't entirely clear to me).
2. Honestly, I don't believe they will achieve very much simply because, from me watching the videos and reading the material on their website, they don't all seem as if they are on the same page. They don't seem as if they know exactly what they are trying to do. Their cause is a bit unclear to me.
In response to Megan C.
I agree, many people are dealing with issues similar to these but not everybody can be heard. If change were to happen it probably wouldn't be till years to come, when the percentage of poverty becomes dire.
I don't think the Occupy Movement will be that affective. Although I think it's good that its none violent way to express feeling, it's using tax payers money. If we the people want change to happen we need to vote. I don't think it will lead to lasting change. People may be heard, but plenty of people have something to say.
Ryan H, 69
ReplyDelete1. What is your opinion on the method the Occupy Movement is using to promote change?
I think non-violent protesting is the best way to go. Using violence to prove a point only establishes that the cause is irrational.
2. Do you think the Occupy Movements will lead to real and lasting social change?
Only time will tell. I feel that their argument is warranted, but they need to prove that to a lot more people if they want to succeed. They are protesting against the most powerful people in the United States and it is going to take more than a few demonstrations in a couple of cities to accomplish their goal.
I agree that there needs to be a set clear problem or issue in order to truly be effective. For example: the right for women to vote and equal rights for people of color. These are two specific issues that took time in order for them to change. Imagine having many other issues on the table at the same time; this would make it extremely difficult to deal with the acute issues with the priority.
ReplyDeleteFrank J. 67
ReplyDeleteI think the method they are using, protesting and camping out, is the most effective way of having the people's voice heard. MLK once said, "Rioting is the voice of the unheard"...you can also add protesting. It's gotten a lot of media coverage, the problem I have with it is that the media are only interviewing the small group of so called "reformers" the ones calling for collectivism...which is socialism. The media portrays all protesters as being unemployed and unbathed hippies. Some of these people have college degrees yet they are still unemployed. There are multiple groups there. There are self proclaimed communists there, people who blame Wall Street for our financial status, there are students out there protesting about their outrageous college debt and then there's the group that i fully agree with the End the Fed(ers). The Federal Reserve is the main reason our economy is where it is. They were behind the "Bubble Burst" in 2008. There's a great video on youtube titled "The American Dream" it goes into the Federal Reserve, it's creation and how it's a private central bank. It's animated and only 30 minutes long. So back to the original question, yes i do fully agree with the OWS method of wanting change.
Now as far as the OWS protests being about social change, I do believe it'll bring about social change but it might be change they we don't like ie. freedom of speech suppression or suppressing the right to assembly which they are doing already. Unless they all come with one voice and one cause, I'm not to optimistic that positive social change will emerge as a result of the protests.
1. Even after looking at the website, I cannot say that I clearly understand the exact thing these people are protesting about. I do understand that they feel the majority if citizens are being ignored in ways and that the 1%, the very weakthy and the politicians, are having their way, but I think more clearly pointing out what they want and taking a more solid and aggressive, but not violent, approach is a better idea. However, gathering in a large and popular area and refusing to back down and go away is a good start to get people's attention.
ReplyDelete2. I think these movements, or at least this type of movement will influence real social change. Even if this issue is not resolved as soon as hoped for by these particular protesters, eventually, some change of this sort will happen, and these people's method of protesting is a good example of organized and effective work towards recognition and unifying for change.
-Niyah Miles
I don't think that they are doing a good job at all. I believe they are protesting that they are mad because of the 99% who have alot of money and who have nice cars. Instead of just sitting around doing nothing but hanging out, they should be working so they themselves could try to make it to the 99%. They are gonna make it far just camping out~
ReplyDeleteMelanieP.70
ReplyDeleteOccupy Atlanta has a great message and as long as it continues to be non-violent and riot-free, it should be supported. The media can't ignore the growing protesters, and its finally getting the attention it needs. While no social change has happened yet, the occupiers are bringing awareness about corporate greed and their political sway, and the failure of the government to regulate big businesses. Capitalism is failing and if Occupy Atlanta can stay organized it could have a lasting effect.
In response to Ryan H, 69...
ReplyDeleteI do agree with what you are saying in both of your answers. Nonviolent protest is the way to go. Protesting with violence gets you nothing but labeled as immature and uncivilized, and therefore draws the attention away from your actual cause and gets people hurt and arrested and left with no positive change. Also, you are right that they need to prove their point to a lot more people. They need to take their protest a step futher and make direct, civilized contact with the right people - the ones who they want to make the changes, as well as the people who "rule" over them politically. They are recognized, but not yet truly "heard" and "received," I believe.
-Niyah Miles
MelanieP.70 in response to Dalton Cash70
ReplyDeleteI agree, I too was unfamiliar with Occupy until tonight. I do agree that they will be taken much more seriously if they remain non-violent.
No do not thing the Occupy Movement will promote any change because the reason for this is still unclear!
ReplyDeleteIn response to Linuel S67
ReplyDeleteYou can't blanket a label on all of the protesters. They have interviewed people who have degrees and were laid off when the company they worked was sent overseas.....in order to take advantage of tax incentives/tax exempt status. It's not the victims fault, the victims have had enough. There are multiple groups at these protests nation wide. I would venture to say that a tiny fraction of the protesters are "spoiled entitlement brats" besides the "spoiled entitlement brats" are the ones milking unemployment. Those "brats" aren't the ones protesting.
Mary M 82
ReplyDeleteI like the method they are using. Protesting and camping out has gotten a lot of attention from the media. I think they could be a little more organized with what exactly they're trying to accomplish though. I'm not sure if these movements will lead to real and lasting social change. In the past these type of protests have led to social change, but their issues were more defined. If the Occupy people could all get on the same page with what exactly they're trying to accomplish by protesting, maybe something positive will come from it. They seem to be protesting about a number of different issues ranging from student loans to how much CEO's are being paid.
In response to Samisha S 67
I agree with your statement about how people need to work harder to get what they want. I've seen several people that are protesting complain about how they went to college and couldn't find a job when they graduated. I'm not sure how they are blaming the government for this problem. Did they look at what fields are currently in demand before choosing a major?
Ryan H,69 response to Daquan F-70
ReplyDelete"Although I think it's good that its none violent way to express feeling, it's using tax payers money."
Yeah, they might be using tax payers money, but that is chump change compared to the amount of tax payers money that was given to the banks. That is one of the reasons for the protest.
"If we the people want change to happen we need to vote."
Voting is not always the answer. For instance, do you think women and African Americans would of gained their equality through voting alone? I think not.
1. If I could figure out their method I would answer this question. Evidently sitting in a park and yelling "mic check!" is their only form of communication. I believe that the have no universal plea, but are asking for everything under the sun. I think their method is ridiculous, and that their is about 99% of the people gathering that have lost sight of what they are protesting.
ReplyDelete2. The proof is in the pudding. No change, only dirty parks and lots of positive media coverage. These people are just looking for a reason to assimilate, and are composed of drifters, vagabonds, and "dirty hippies". The would make an excellent argument for camping in the great metropolitan outdoors, but not much else. Thank goodness winter is coming, but watch out San Diego and Miami. They are coming!!!!!
the methods they are using is great, Martin Luther King preferred the non violent method , but it def was not an easy one , he ended up in jail on several occasions , and it was his ulitmate demise... He ended up losing his life .. But through his loss of his life , his death was the powder keg that really ushered in change. There methods i dont believe will work. True change in my opinion is only ushered in by loss of life and people willing to stand up for what is right even if it cost them their life!
ReplyDeleteTameca T85
ReplyDeleteI think that the method the Occupy Movement is using is Good! i believe that, we have to stand up if we want change. and the way there going about it is great because there's no violence. i also believe that in time things will payoff for them.
Porsha P 69
ReplyDeleteThe Occupy Movement is a great way to promote social justice. This country is in need of political change. This movement is encouraging people from all walks of life to speak up about there concerns regarding the U.S goverment.
I believe the Occupy Movement has a possibility to lead to real and lasting social change. It all depends on the community coming together and putting forth actions to promote change. They need more peple to step up and get involved within the community.
Porsha P 69
ReplyDeleteIn Regards to Tonia D15
I agree with you that promoting change in a non violet manner is the best way to be heard. Americans have the right to exercise freedom of speech. The group does not have one specific point of view. I like the that the group consist of people from different walks of life, which all have an opinion.
I don't know anything much about Occupy Altanta but if you have a large group of people trying to make a stand than I say "Go for it" as long as it is in a non-violent matter. But I don't know if it would make it as a life changing or even a long term.
ReplyDeleteSusette R.-67
ReplyDeleteHonestly, I don't think that Occupy Atlanta is powerful enough yet to make any sort of change. I like their approach to making a difference. I feel as though they are using a calm, cooperative way of accessing the community and getting people involved for standing up for what they believe in, but I still think they are too new. I checked out their website and I like how they leave your level of participation up to you. They are not forceful with anyone in the group, but rather very inviting. From what I have heard through the media, they were very cooperative with officials when they were removed from Woodruff park and I believe that has a lot to say about a group. I have always believed that you can say what you need to say and get your point across without being violent.
I think that their motive and attempt to stop the political over running of our government is a very real and great goal. Give Occupy Atlanta a little more time and we might actually begin to see some change.
In response to funkwaggon...
Clearly you didn't go to their website to read up on what they believe. If you had you wouldn't say that they have lost focus.
1. well i kinda like the method because its non-violent and people can get their word out there better as a whole
ReplyDelete2. yeah i guess i think this movement can work because people are working as a whole though i dont 100% agree with it im sure anything could work.
in response to Erica D
i agree it is better than some in the past but i dont agree that being aggressive always helps.
Linuel S67
ReplyDeleteIf the "victims" are tired of being mistreated then they should be using their energy to have the tax laws changed, through the government, NOT camping out in our parks and protesting businesses.
Meghan Williams
ReplyDeleteI think that the occupy atlanta method is great, its non violent and they are doing wonderful things ina civilized manner.I do think that this movement can cause change because they are so passionate about what they are doing and will not budge on giving up becasue they are determined to make a change. The media is a powerful tool and they have got alot of attention from the media and gotten more people interested ad involved in this movement and when the majority wants a change and are doing somthing aout it in a nonviolent way i believe that it will make a change or atleast make a dent that wil lead to overall change.
MauriceR
ReplyDeleteThe method the ‘Occupy Movement’ uses does encourage civil protest, civil disobedience, dialogue, unrest, and change. As long there is a concise message, focus, and action, change will result. Mind you, change might not come overnight. However, once the ball of change keeps rolling, society gets swept up in the path of change. For a while, we have become complacent, and forgot we are a government of the people, by the people, for the people. We forgot that the love of money and power corrupts. Therefore, we are to continually hold our citizens and leaders to the responsibilities afforded.
Joseph W-67
ReplyDeleteI think that the methods they are using are better than nothing. They certainly are trying to get peoples support and get them out of their housing acting on behalf of causes I think are good causes. I think the methods they employ are good because the first step is to get people involved and then when you have enough involved then you can have a large amount of support for your cause.
I would like to believe that they would lead to real change, however I don't think that it will.
Joseph W-67
ReplyDeleteIn response to Maurice
You have an excellent mastery of the English language and a great ability to put your thoughts into words that accurately portray your them. I'm jealous.
Thomas L 67
ReplyDeleteIn reponse to Joseph 67
What you said was well thought out and you covered many examples. I wish I could of thought of some of the stuff you said
Isabelle 44
ReplyDeleteI think that the method they using is not the correct way but maybe that the only choice they have for the higher people to be aware and take action that they need help so sometime you have to use action more than theory to get your goal.
David G.
ReplyDeleteWhen we look at the Occupy folks methods, it should make us all really thankful that we live in such a gentle, hospitable society. Really, how tame can you get?
As for if they will be successful or not, they have made a showing on behalf of the Left as if to address the woes of the little people. If this was their objective, then they have already been successful.
I find the Occupy Movement a ingenious use of our right to open protest. When observed by an outsider it my spark curiosity or get them thinking "Now why are they here?" or "What are they after?"
ReplyDeleteI am not sure if the Movement will bring about much change, but I still say i will impact some decisions in the future.